Parsing the Political Brief
April 2nd 2008 15:56
Some of the concerns follow:
She,
• uses unsubstantiated research, articles, quotes and vague email sources
• makes personal attacks rather than to defend her argument
• tends to rant and rail about issues rather than to make pointed argument
• uses disparaging verbiage to injure by insult or assumptive reasoning
• deliberately parrots and spews unconsidered or inflammatory speech
• is condescending towards any critic of her work
Definitions of a few words used:
• Spew-expel or eject from the mouth
• Hate-dislike intensely or feel aversion towards
• Bigotry-are intolerant and prejudicial
• Vitriolic-harsh or corrosive in tone
• Vitriol-attack in speech or writing
• Debate-discuss the pros and cons of an issue
• Rail-complain bitterly
This sentence is the link to her article for your review.
Let me set the scene: I take serious issue to SL’s posts from time to time for the very reasons stated above, and confess that I enjoy provoking her into rabid explosiveness, usually followed by demonic rants. It’s too easy to excite her, so I have since found a way to comment her posts without eliciting an immediately explosive reaction, because I agree in principle with some of her more considered posts.
So, the point at hand is: What Constitutes, “Spewing?”
After you have read her post, let’s review some of the comments:
SL - Thanks Fellow! I appreciate the support.
Ruby - I can't believe you just defended Joe McCarthy. *That is priceless. *Oh Bradish, you have truly outdone yourself this time!
Tlcorbin – Rather than to use words, I used an Gitmo inspired art photo to visually demonstrate spewing
SL responded with a blast at Ruby- Funny, you don't surprise me at all, Ruby. You must be in favor of communism in order to think Joe Mccarthy was wrong. That's no shocker at all. People without conscience or morals often fall for the allure of communism. That describes you to a "T". Isn't it odd that you didn't have anything to say about the rest of the post...? Odd, but not surprising... You poor thing...
Tlcorbin – Again, rather than to use words, I used an altered photo of Al Gore, to visually demonstrate spewing
SL responded with an out of context blast at me - tlcorbin, you can't surprise me anymore, but you still manage to disgust me. Quite an accomplishment since I used to work in a mortuary. Many, many of the people who passed along in my business were so much smarter and nice than you are. And they were all dead. Does that tell you something?
SL - I didn't have anything to do with the picture, but I wish I had! There are just some pigs that you can put enough lipstick on. But I'm sure you know more about that than I do.
Tlcorbin – Ah, got it! (The it was how to illustrate the point at hand) This does: and I posted her, “ Funny, you don't surprise me at all, Ruby,” remark. and admittedly so does this: And posted a picture of three dogs socializing I suspected would provoke a response, remember - the underlying theme is about What Constitutes, “Spewing?” Which I was visually demonstrating for the world to see!
Tlcorbin - There is also this fine example: and I posted her, “tlcorbin- you can’t surprise me anymore,” remark. I responded with: You're in to necrophilia at the mortuary? That's just wrong, SL ~ you've got to get some mental health help. Verbally demonstrating spewing.
Tlcorbin - The dogs, . . I got the photos from Don. Thanks for showing me samples of loving dialog SL. I stand in awe of your compassion. And then posted a picture of two animals in the field, with a caption, “You Jackass.”
SL - Only you would assume that I meant necrophelia, tlcorbib. Shows where your twisted mind goes, doesn't it? Are you still suicidal? It's really no wonder.
SL - And I stand in awe of you corbin. Few people have so little intelligence, compassion, and courtesy as you! You combine all the "finer" aspects of whatever it is that you are. You really need help... or you could just do us all a favor and call Dr. Kevorkian to solve your problems...
Ruby – posted SL’s “You must be in favor of communism . . .,” followed with Ah, yes , there you go again with your 'with us or against us mentality'. * Bradish, Bradish, Bradish, can you really not see that men like McCarthy are just as much a danger to freedom as the most hardline communists? Extremism is always dangerous Bradish, be it Muslim, Christian, Communist, Capitalist or BMX. * Sweetie, you must stop calling other people ignorant as it only serves to highlight your own shortcomings. * Pot...kettle...black.....
And then, finally :
Don Lee - Hey corbin, don't blame me for your artwork. I know they are both pictures of you, but which one shows your face? I think it's the one on the left. Right? Or is that a picture of your mother again, in drag this time? * It's comical to watch this show. SL says something and you turn into an idiot, onthe spot. Are you really planning to kill yourself? I'll buy the rope.
SL - Poor, poor, pitiful Ruby. You just don't get it, do you? It must be terrible to be so empty that youcan't stand people with real viewpoints and interests. How tragic it must be to embrace evil things to keep from feeling like a normal person. You are sad beyond words...
And things spiraled downhill from there.
Was the question about, What Constitutes, “Spewing?” ever answered or the issue resolved?
Further who, if anyone, should be taken to the woodshed for Spewing?
Raven wants to know.
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Comment by Winston
Small Thoughts on Big Questions
I tip my hat to you and the rest of the Orblers who continue to engage her. I admit, I keep track of most of the back-and-forth. But as for coming back to that well again myself? No thanks. Dealing with her surpasses my ability to "take a deep breath" and move on. I pride myself on keeping a pretty level tone here most of the time, but some things are just beyond me.
Thanks for fighting the good fight (I particularly enjoy your highlighting of her abnormally high percentage of devoted Anonymous commentators, not to mention the laughable "contributions" of her toadies Don Lee and Lester. I sometimes wonder if her whole family is not commenting on her page). I will continue to follow the exchanges, popcorn in hand
Comment by katyzzz
Photography Tips
MS Paint Art
Have a good day, Raven.
Comment by tlcorbin
SL seemingly operates in a sealed biosphere that is blissfully impervious to the influence of reality. Many of her fans, in fact the majority if them, lack the minimal reading comprehension, language and writing skills that I would expect from a high school graduate.
That particular group has difficulty mastering basic cognitive skills and demonstrate weak abstract reasoning ability as well. Conversing with that group is a lot like pandering to a clams need for a simple plankton and algae diet, anything larger than that microscopic nourishment will ultimately harm them.
Simplistic mental acuity requires simplistic informational input so that the intellect isn't overwhelmed, and subsequently, shuts out additional input to prevent a mental meltdown.
Enjoy the day Winston, I always enjoy your visits. Raven
Comment by tlcorbin
Comment by Damo
I could have easily answered that call a few days ago and provided quite an amount of hot air and fuel for the fire.
However sometimes it suits me just to let thing go through to the keeper.
There is the red rag but I do not have to charge at it all the time. Sometime it pays not to swallow the bait laid out until you know what trap it is attached to.
That being said I will talk in generics about Blogging in general.
Spewing is hate manifested through the medium of the blog.
I get the perception that a lot Bloggers like to consider them selves great writers and columnists. I also get the impression that many think that if they argue the case as emotionally as possible everyone will be in sync with their emotions. When it turns out that people have different opinions the emotional level rises and keeps going. It is no longer about a subject but about a power struggle with: fragile egos and what is worse volatile egos.
Yes I have seen some pretty mean things from one particular source (which led to WW3) but have seen, over the last few days, just as many mean and bigoted things said from other sources.
Only a few things really bug me from a social level:
Racial Bigotry -
Religious Bigotry -
Hate speeches -
Self appointed blog Censors trying shut down sites using the above three points.
All of which I have found from personal experience can be very damaging and sometimes deadly. I see no excuses for people to resort to such things.
Things that bug on a personal level:
Any claim that I favour terrorism or am a terrorist supporter.
Any attempt by someone to hijack me blog to become a propaganda base for a agenda that I cannot support.
I do not care if people think I am an idiot because I know what I am.
Nor do I care whether people agree with me because that is impossible.
Yet I have offered a fair debate and the offer of having it held in a fair manner was rejected. Now I cannot even get someone to put their neck to be an adjudicator.
Needless to say I would extend this same offer to any Orbler if they think I am dead wrong about anything.
Comment by tlcorbin
Comment by Damo
More impartial people have offered and been rejected. Whether you like it or not you are a combatant in WW3.
Non combatants have been rejected more quickly.
Hence it is a question of perception of Bias favouring me.
However the debate at this stage is a dead issue for a number of reason, including the fact that I just don't have the same amount of time to play around Orble these days.
Also it is pretty hard trying debate anyone on a matter of principle when the audiences only interest is to watch one of us crash. The principle is lost for the sake people finding one liners and fodder to confirm their own prejudices.
Then the next day we will get the same old same old but from more sources with bigger axes to grind.
Comment by Kleonaptra
Kalikapsychosis
Jeez man, what the hell are you trying to do to me? I had serious urges to reach out and throttle my computer.
The sad thing, the really, really, sad thing, is that I was with her for a bit there. Kman grew up in an area of sydney mostly populated by muslims - he talks constantly about how his education was disrupted by prayer days and what not, but to me the worst thing was he didnt even study shakespeare - I did Macbeth,(Oh, sorry, The Scottish Play) mid summer nights dream, Hamlet....There were also texts like Brave New World By Aldous Huxley that I just consider required reading for the modern world, that they didnt read. He never even read 1984 until he got with me! The reason was, the arabs couldnt read english well, and the parents would have a fit if their kids couldnt pass because the classes were 'too hard'
There were plenty of other things too - like running for his life every fucking day and getting mugged for the shoes on his feet but Im not going there. Point is, I was WITH her. Australia is a love it or leave it place - we are staunchly culturist - we welcome all, but come and be Australian, dont come here and turn it into where you came from.
SL even says that. Oh, man, I was with her....
And then I kept reading....The argument spiralled apart from its tightly strung roots and just...Fell apart. Then she started to contradict herself and I was wondering if she was having split personalities. I was just begging Ruby to give up - its obvious she wasnt even listening.
And I just kept thinking....All through it, every moment...
There is no winners in war. Ever. How...No, I cant even ask.
Way to jump start me Raven.
Comment by RubySoho
Music Zone
Thought Zone
What can I say Kleo? I guess I though if I persisted then I may be able to say that one special thing that may get through to her and have her think...wait a second.
Haha, keep dreaming Ruby. Hey, I'm still new to all of this, I'm learning, making mistakes and learning.
But, yeah, I did give up in the end....
Comment by tlcorbin
Always glad to jump start a napping cat kleo, they hit the ceiling with all claws out. It sounds as though thats what I did for you.
SL and Ruby are passionate about what they believe and tend to get caught up in moment, which short circuits their reasoning processes.
Raven
Comment by RubySoho
Music Zone
Thought Zone
Thanks Raven. I can't tell you how much I resent that statement.
Please bring to my attention any statements I have made which are as devoid of reasoning and logic as those of Bradish.
Comment by tlcorbin
SL and Ruby are passionate about what they believe and tend to get caught up in moment, which short circuits their reasoning processes occasionally.
The huge non-sin: you drifted off topic and didn't hold her feet to her stated subject. But you are correct, I incorrectly suggested that your arguments was as devoid of reasoning and logic as those of Bradish, and it was not. And Ruby, I apologize for that.
It's hard to be involved in these matters and not get emotional. I left the fray for that very reason. If anything comes of these skirmishes, it that we all should slow down and consider our arguments a bit more. Which was the crux of this effort.
Raven
Comment by RubySoho
Music Zone
Thought Zone
With regards to that post, I paid little regard to her 'spewing' question and was more interested in how anyone could still possibly defend senator McCarthy. Yes, the 'debate' did meander but after a while it became a case of just playing along, then I got bored with that and threw in the whole Ron Reagan tattoo challenge for a laugh. Then I gave up altogether.
But it is hard to stay on topic when the other person changes the rules with every post. Hard not get emotional when you are told you are empty, evil etc. Not that those statements offended me personally, it is just difficult to appeal to people whose brains think that they are presenting a valid argument simply by insulting you and who deny being offensive when you call them on it.
Comment by tlcorbin
But, she seems to have had the same effect on others as well. That suggests there is cause for our displeasure with the mechanics of her debating technique. You'd think that she'd consider whether or nor there is some validity to our collective complaints.
Raven
Comment by Kleonaptra
Kalikapsychosis
I just meant dear Ruby, I was almost in tears of frustration on your behalf. Ive argued with people like that, and it feels a bit like throwing ice cream balls at a brick wall - bloody sticky mess and nothing comes of it except a waste of time....Not to mention ice cream!
I try not to get into these things because Im ruled by emotion and cant remember my facts when people dont listen. Debate is great, even arguing is constructive, but it was like you two were playing tennis in the dark.....Or should I say, her half of the court had its lights out?
I was highly disturbed by the amount of support. As you yourself say Raven,
As I obviously agreed with the odd point. But what mystifies me is that tiny gems of truth can be existing right beside pigheadedness and exact contrast (flash back moment....Wait, Im not talking about the Bible) and well, hypocrisy is my pet hate. She crucifies herself, as you say,
And it was so well done!
Comment by tlcorbin
Her diatribes work only within the confines of her post and with poorly educated individuals or the disenfranchised.
I wanted to illustrate the weakness of her arguments and lack of focus; that was accomplished. But honestly, there is no closure or satisfaction in doing so. She'll continue to operate in her own reality, blithely ignorant of her shortcomings. And the rest of us are better off ignoring her tirades; she' s unconscionable and impervious to suggestion. She's made herself persona non grata to most Orbler's as things stand now. What's left?
Raven
Comment by Jim Stillman
Political Certainty
I try and ignore her, but every once in a while she is so verbally ugly that I get sucked in.
Comment by tlcorbin
Maybe my PTSD is coming into play more often now, if that's the case, maybe I should just toss myself into a pod of Orca's and hope that they make quick work of me; sadly, the last time I tried that, I was swallowed whole and spewed back to the surface, escorted to shore and tail flipped out of the water. What's up with that?
The whole event was so embarrassing.
Raven
Comment by Kleonaptra
Kalikapsychosis
*waves to Jim* I like the stories about you mate!
Comment by tlcorbin
Raven