A Wrongful Death Made Worse
December 18th 2007 02:34
Intolerance proffered, insufferable intolerance promoted and granted a forum. Recently, I ran across a hypocritical, inflammatory and questionable rant, one that was painful to read. The writer made no bones that what was said was a personal opinion, and thus implying not well considered or researched, I can accept that; it was obvious that the ability to think critically was lacking. But a comment left by another person, is what spurred me into writing this blog.
Recently, on Fox News it was disclosed that in Canada, a 16 year old girl was murdered, strangled, by her father; who was then protected by a son trying to cover up information. This is a heinous and egregious crime by all measures. For the family of the girl, this is a horrific tragedy. One which is probably going to result with several more lives being disrupted, or virtually destroyed; that of the father, son, mother and perhaps others living in that home.
Her cheerful continence, warm laugh, and energetic zeal for life have been brutally wiped out, by an act of rage. This daughter, sister and friend to so many others, is gone, forever. Her name is Aqsa Parvez; she was 16 and lived with her family in Canada. This link will take you to the Fox News article. Really Long Link
So, what has stirred passions and interest beyond the fact a beautiful girl is gone, murdered by the hand of her father. It was this fact: the family is Muslim. What branch of Islam; Sunni, Shiite, Sufi, Wahhabi, Baha'ism, Kharijites, Ismailis or other was never stated that I recall. And I am not sure that it matters. However, some think that all Muslims adhere to sharia law; they are misguided concerning that point.
I won't characterize the killing quite the way that they have. The trigger for the confrontation was probably the hijab, the underlying cause; a father's frustration with what he perceives as a rebellious out of control Muslim teenager who will not yield to his counsel. Apparently, it was "...her reluctance to wear the hijab," that was among the reasons for contention in the home.
As I understand it, he (her father) strangled her with his own hands (?). That type of crime is one of passion, usually connected with something more than just a religious zeal, suggesting something that provoked this mindless, and out of control rage on a personal level. Sometimes the line between love and hate is precariously thin.
She, like so many teens wanted what she wanted, and was confrontational with her parents who'd been raised in another social structure and environment; and conflict erupted. The remark, "She didn't want to go home ... to the point where she actually wanted to go to shelters," reported by classmate Ashley Garbutt, 16, would seem to bear that out.
Sharia law may have contributed to the father's mindset, but probably wasn't the source of his anger; her actions definitely were. It's a miracle that kids are allowed to survive their teen years, they're usually challenging everything while going through this critical learning period. And it is vexing for parents in general, and not all of the parents are going to survive their children's teen years.
The author made comments along these lines: "When she refused to wear the hijab, her father did as Shariah Law required and murdered her in cold blood. He strangled her to death in accordance with his twisted and disgusting "religion." This isn't the first case, nor will it be the last. Just the most recent. How long will Shariah Law be allowed in free countries? If they practiced cannibalism, would that be frowned upon? Would it be outlawed? Probably not... They own slaves (referred to her as wives and children), they engage in violence (domestic) with impunity, and they expect to get away with murder when wives or daughters disobey."
And, suggested that the father's punishment, from the Canadian justice system would probably consist of "...be(ing) comfortably ensconced in a cozy cell, complete with his Koran, prayer mat and special diet so he can continue to practice the same "religion" that got him incarcerated to begin with. You'd think the free countries of the world would get sick and tired of catering to Islamic extremists, wouldn't you?" Vitriolic remarks, all.
The commenter, was a man in his late thirties, married with three children who lives in small town America and declares in his profile, "First of all I am a Christian," and further on he states that he is, "A minister that loves to preach the word of God. I also believe that Christians should use their vote to keep America on the right, and standing on the truth of Gods' word. (God Bless America.)"
His comments went along this line, "Hey (Author). What they should do for this pig is to give pig feet and fat back, to eat everyday, with a nice pig skin blanket.
(Author), there won't be much said about this as they don't want to offend the great Muslim faith.
Lets see how many of the liberals that gives Christianity a hard time speaks up here."
This is not indicative of a follower of Christ, but more that of a malevolent, hateful petty man who professes to be something that he is far removed from being. The message of "Love the person(s), hate the sin,"has escaped this fellows attention. Righteous anger is one thing, this is something else altogether and it is divisive, reprehensible, vile and evil.
His argument implies that he stands upon some sacrosanct ground and is therefore unimpeachable for his stance. Let his god judge him, as he (this preacher) has others and remove him from the forum he preaches from for the sake of his parishioners.
Islam and its adherents have many issues and crisis to collectively work through; one of paramount importance to me is this: call injustice and evil what it is, even among your fellow practitioners.
What he, the girl's father, did is heinous at any level. Give the Canadian courts a chance to investigate and then draw your conclusions from more than the touted facts; don't capriciously blame the entire faith of Islam for this crime. Because that is what it is, a criminal act by an out of control individual who will suffer the hell of never seeing his daughter again.
R.I. P Aqsa Parvez.
Raven
Her cheerful continence, warm laugh, and energetic zeal for life have been brutally wiped out, by an act of rage. This daughter, sister and friend to so many others, is gone, forever. Her name is Aqsa Parvez; she was 16 and lived with her family in Canada. This link will take you to the Fox News article. Really Long Link
So, what has stirred passions and interest beyond the fact a beautiful girl is gone, murdered by the hand of her father. It was this fact: the family is Muslim. What branch of Islam; Sunni, Shiite, Sufi, Wahhabi, Baha'ism, Kharijites, Ismailis or other was never stated that I recall. And I am not sure that it matters. However, some think that all Muslims adhere to sharia law; they are misguided concerning that point.
I won't characterize the killing quite the way that they have. The trigger for the confrontation was probably the hijab, the underlying cause; a father's frustration with what he perceives as a rebellious out of control Muslim teenager who will not yield to his counsel. Apparently, it was "...her reluctance to wear the hijab," that was among the reasons for contention in the home.
As I understand it, he (her father) strangled her with his own hands (?). That type of crime is one of passion, usually connected with something more than just a religious zeal, suggesting something that provoked this mindless, and out of control rage on a personal level. Sometimes the line between love and hate is precariously thin.
She, like so many teens wanted what she wanted, and was confrontational with her parents who'd been raised in another social structure and environment; and conflict erupted. The remark, "She didn't want to go home ... to the point where she actually wanted to go to shelters," reported by classmate Ashley Garbutt, 16, would seem to bear that out.
Sharia law may have contributed to the father's mindset, but probably wasn't the source of his anger; her actions definitely were. It's a miracle that kids are allowed to survive their teen years, they're usually challenging everything while going through this critical learning period. And it is vexing for parents in general, and not all of the parents are going to survive their children's teen years.
The author made comments along these lines: "When she refused to wear the hijab, her father did as Shariah Law required and murdered her in cold blood. He strangled her to death in accordance with his twisted and disgusting "religion." This isn't the first case, nor will it be the last. Just the most recent. How long will Shariah Law be allowed in free countries? If they practiced cannibalism, would that be frowned upon? Would it be outlawed? Probably not... They own slaves (referred to her as wives and children), they engage in violence (domestic) with impunity, and they expect to get away with murder when wives or daughters disobey."
And, suggested that the father's punishment, from the Canadian justice system would probably consist of "...be(ing) comfortably ensconced in a cozy cell, complete with his Koran, prayer mat and special diet so he can continue to practice the same "religion" that got him incarcerated to begin with. You'd think the free countries of the world would get sick and tired of catering to Islamic extremists, wouldn't you?" Vitriolic remarks, all.
The commenter, was a man in his late thirties, married with three children who lives in small town America and declares in his profile, "First of all I am a Christian," and further on he states that he is, "A minister that loves to preach the word of God. I also believe that Christians should use their vote to keep America on the right, and standing on the truth of Gods' word. (God Bless America.)"
His comments went along this line, "Hey (Author). What they should do for this pig is to give pig feet and fat back, to eat everyday, with a nice pig skin blanket.
(Author), there won't be much said about this as they don't want to offend the great Muslim faith.
Lets see how many of the liberals that gives Christianity a hard time speaks up here."
This is not indicative of a follower of Christ, but more that of a malevolent, hateful petty man who professes to be something that he is far removed from being. The message of "Love the person(s), hate the sin,"has escaped this fellows attention. Righteous anger is one thing, this is something else altogether and it is divisive, reprehensible, vile and evil.
His argument implies that he stands upon some sacrosanct ground and is therefore unimpeachable for his stance. Let his god judge him, as he (this preacher) has others and remove him from the forum he preaches from for the sake of his parishioners.
Islam and its adherents have many issues and crisis to collectively work through; one of paramount importance to me is this: call injustice and evil what it is, even among your fellow practitioners.
What he, the girl's father, did is heinous at any level. Give the Canadian courts a chance to investigate and then draw your conclusions from more than the touted facts; don't capriciously blame the entire faith of Islam for this crime. Because that is what it is, a criminal act by an out of control individual who will suffer the hell of never seeing his daughter again.
R.I. P Aqsa Parvez.
Raven
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Comment by Ahmed
Video Gamer Kids
Little Green Foosballs
PolyKicks
Fact of the matter is there will always be these types of fools running about thinking their opinions are the absoloute of everything, often times they're just hiding some sort of pride be it cultural or religious. In that sense Aqsa's father is no different to these two people who are commenting on his actions. They're not doing it for the sake of insight but rather to satisfy their own need to be the authority on absoloute truth.
I guess one of the saddest (and most irrelevent) ironies of all is that Shariah law does not require "He strangled her to death in accordance with his twisted and disgusting "religion."" In fact there's only two cases in which the death penalty can be imposed in shariah law, that is either against murderurs or rapists.
At the end of the day those who are not out to hate tend to suffer the most heartbreak from these crimes because they don't indulge themselves in hateful rantings against whatever it is they want to hate but rather they mourn the loss. Ultimately such tragedies seperate the good from the bad and often times show the ugly that remains deeply hidden in some people. That is about the only positive that can come from this.
Comment by Damo
Just read your post and pretty much agree on all points.
The post which you are refering to is just another in a long litany of hate.
I get the feeling that this person delights in the misery of others so long as it can be used in a hate post.
I think such comment come partly from ignorance but mostly from a lack of self worth. So much so that they need a wipping boy to feel good. In this case it just happens to be Muslims.
I am also extreemly disappointed that a person who claims to be a man of the cloth would write hateful comments like some street thug. What ever religion he was hoping win converts to has been done a lot of damage. There is no point talking about God's Love and Mercy if you refuse to uphold the principle.
Damo
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Comment by tlcorbin
I am convinced that as the collective world grows up, we'll eventually be fully able to accept and celebrate the differences of our various cultures. Raven
Comment by D. Armenta
The Florida Keys and Everglades
The Black Sheep Chronicles
What constitutes bad manners?
The male mystique
Debate Fan
Problem with commenting on her stuff is, there's no fun in it. It's like trying to debate with a 4-year-old. I've had more intellectual stimulation from watching mud crack.
Comment by D. Armenta
The Florida Keys and Everglades
The Black Sheep Chronicles
What constitutes bad manners?
The male mystique
Debate Fan
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Comment by katyzzz
Photography Tips
MS Paint Art
Let's not debate the hate there, it exists, but for many others, given the same set of circumstances and the same religion there is no hate at all. But women do need to be liberated from tyranny, everywhere.
Well expressed post Raven, as always.
katyzzz
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Raven
Comment by Damo
She makes it just too easy.
World Worble 3
A war on humour and sanity.
I might get one of the ordinations.
It will look good on my resume.
I am growing so tired of Rocket Scientist.
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Comment by Damo
I look really cool in black.
Ties do bug me.
so i guess a solid plastic one would kill me.
DA
read you comments.
And the multiple personalities that replied all in the same writing style.
and my serious assesment is.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahaha
I love Orble.
Comment by Kleonaptra
Kalikapsychosis
Raised in a Catholic primary school, even as a young child I saw a terrible zeal in the eyes of all the 'faithful' a zeal to me that seemed to directly oppose the loving teachings of Jesus. Most disgusting to me, was the forcing of christianity upon people who did not want it. I turned into my own ways after hearing the word of the Goddess....
"Never belittle the path by which another finds God....For all Gods are one God, and all Goddess' are one Goddess....."
I said, "man, thats what Ive been trying to say!"
As for the man and his crime.....I suppose for those of us who know violence and rage intimately, we are far more careful where we deal it out. This man may even question his religion - that would be a lovely punishment wouldnt it? Imagine it.
Now for a related story.....I work in Redfern, still named as one of Sydneys worst suburbs. Crawling with our indigenous Aborigines, they beg all passers by for a buck, all with a different angle. They are the laughingstock of our society. However, most are christian and very religious.
All the churches in the suburb are locked. The beautiful old buildings with the peace before the altar are locked to the public who so desperately need hope and faith. Why are they locked? Because people might break in, steal things, wreck up the joint.
What would Jesus say?
Jesus would say that the churches should not be full of such valuable things. Its in the Bible, (dammit) that a church should not be richer than its patrons - Jesus got himself a whole story about it. Kickin arses down the stairs.
Thats my rant on injustice for today - how can we expect the crime in the suburb, ranging from murder to robbery, to ever improve if the people have no guidance?
The world has gone crazy.
Comment by tlcorbin
The winds of change is blowing urgently upon us and have been for eons, few have responded to it's influence, most of us have felt it, some of us resist-feigning ignorance: I call them, those few, sleepers. There seems to be a clarion call sounding to awaken that collective group, to help point or lead the way and embrace the future. Some of your honest and beautifully written pieces help accomplish that awakening. Raven
Comment by KylieW
Celebrity Obsession
Wow, a well thought out, researched and rational article.
Obviously you're never going to make it a political commentator!!
I agree with everything you've written. The original post you refer to made me so unbelievably angry I couldn't even find words.
And I find it unbelievable that a man who considers himself a Christian and a Man of God could be so hateful. I'm pretty sure that's not what the bible teaches. Though you know, it's been a while since I went to church. So maybe I'm wrong!!
Kylie
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Kalikapsychosis
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Comment by S.L.
The Political Brief
Do your faithful followers know that you get your jollies out of threatening old women and preachers? They must be terribly impressed! After all they're cut from the same cloth as you, aren't they? So much for dirty laundry...
So, tell me "hero" how does it feel to have someone come to your blog and let off steam? Bet ya don't like it do you? Don't get your panties in a twist, though, mr veteran, sir. I won't waste my time coming back here or replying to any more of your ugliness so readily deposited on my blog. You're way too cowardly to be worth the effort. Go find someone else to "put in their place, physically or with debate." I doubt that you're capable of either.
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Comment by Damo
I am jealous Raven.
When will she visit me?
I so look forward to it.
Take me SLB, please take me on I want feel you rage.
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Comment by Lester Caudill
Round Politics
You know I shouldn't have said what I said in the way I said it. But I will not give sympathy to someone that has done such a crime, as to kill his own daughter.
You may feel sorry for him, when in fact you should feel sorry for the young life that was lost. And as far as what has been said about me here that's alright. It makes no difference to me what you and the rest of you Christian bashers have to say.
If you want to give you compassion to a murderer, while, holding a vile contempt for anyone that speaks out about it shows just where you stand. I would feel the same if it was a Christian that did this horrible crime.
There have been to much debate on what was said rather what was done, but I can see why would side with this violent man as you like violence.
I guess it makes you feel good to make threats, on old ladies, but as for me I have been threaten before, and probably will be again, but I won't have to worry about you as you will not make it pass the old lady. She is to tough for you haha!
And Lester, I could show up at your door in KY and introduce myself, you pathetic little person.
I'd experience no compunction about putting either you in your place physically or to debate your pathetic arguments in a public forum.
There, is that open and direct enough for you two gnomes?
As far as being a Christian do you know what it means, while criticizing me, does it make you feel like a better one. The Bible also says something about strain at a gnat, and swallowing a camel.
Merry Christmas to all.
Comment by tlcorbin
You are always welcome to post a considered comment; what angered me is not your comments, but the fact that you made them under the banner of Christ, without thoroughly thinking things through.
Raven
Comment by Damo
You do know that this whole episode did not start with anyone writing a post about giving simpathy to the man who killed his daughter. It started with SLB's post that exploited the death to lump collective blame on all Muslims.
Whether you believe in human compassion, even for the worst of the worst, or not was never the issue. Frankly I don't care either, I mix with people who do and this is how I like it.
The motives of the man was unclear but that did not stop SLB from stating what she imagines they were as fact. Not only that, she insisted that it was the man's religion that compelled him to act in such a way. This is a Baseless accusations designed to creat base emotions like rage and hate.
Support for this kind of stuff I would expect from a career bigot like Jack Chick but I would expect a rational person to be less inflamatory. I would expect a rational person to not support direct and obvious lies like collective blame. I would also expect a rational person to realize when he is being used by a hate monger to give credibilty to her agenda.
That is the issue at hand. Nothing more. It is your choice to agree to a ceasefire or not.
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Comment by Lester Caudill
Round Politics
I had never started this with either of you, Raven you singled me out first. I already said that I should have worded it differently.
I am sorry if you think that it was hateful, but I feel the same way if it was a christian that did it. Everyone has an opinion, and they are entitled to their opinion without being attacked.
I am not here to cause trouble it probably will be my last comment on the subject. As I feel it has went to far as it is, we could of had some good discussion on the matter, and you would of found that I might have agreed with some of your points.
But the contention has created a wall of mistrust for us to agree or even debate honestly.
As I depart I will ask your forgiveness if I have offended you in anyway, Blogging is not my main love of life it's just something I do for a release when I have time. I am just a plain man that believes in plain talk.
I may not always express myself in an eloquent way, but never judge a book by it's cover.
Comment by tlcorbin
It doesn't make me right and you wrong, it is nothing more than my stance on the subject.
For many practitioners of Islam, you may be the first representative of Christ that they have encountered, how approachable would you have appeared to them; odd, that you should be so rigid when Jesus went to those he wanted to influence in peace.
Islam is about 600 years younger than Christianity, where were followers of Jesus at developmentally 600 years ago?
I meant what I said Lester, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and you family. Let the Peace of Christ continue to warm your heart and life. Raven
Comment by Kleonaptra
Kalikapsychosis
Cos I love debates, really I do.
The problem here is that the antagonists just cant read. Or, maybe they can, but they are so angry that a red haze affects their vision, and so they dont actually get the full content of the post. So they spew mercilessly, never quite realizing that they are on the same side as the person they are attacking....Or probably should be, if their views are anything to be believed.
Have at em Raven. Finally someone who will stay and fight and not slink off into the shadows with their words!
Perhaps, one day, when all these good people figure out how to be good together, we'll have paradise.
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Comment by Damo
Back again after Chrismas day because I don't believe in fighting with people on Christmas day if I can help.
My opinion is this:
I have posted up an offer of cease fire and the conditions of cease fire.
If you agree to the ceasefire then we can talk about who wronged who but not before.
Right now I have imposed a unilateral ceasefire upon myself in the spirit of the season. This might I add is a very difficult thing for a satirist like me to do. I have a sense of humour bursting to get out and I am being provided with inspiration all the time.
I get the impression that you would like some sanity and peace over this matter also. So emplore you to agree to the cease fire and then we can enter into constructive talks.
I hope that you agree that this how rational people should behave.
Here is the Post for the cease fire